Why I Chose to Visit North Korea

This has been my most difficult blog to write so far. I really want to get my points across eloquently but I fear I will end up rambling like my usual self when I get overly passionate about a subject.

Since the incredibly sad and tragic death of Otto Warmbier– who was arrested in North Korea on the same day that I was leaving the country (I was not in his tour group and did not meet him)-  I have re-evaluated my decision to travel to the country. I do not regret my visit but would not go again until things change (which sadly looks a long way off).

My intentions for going were always good and I have never meant to cause any offence or harm. I also want to add that this trip was not sponsored and I recieved no pay cheque to go and write my blog about it after. Nor was it about gaining loads of hits and page views- I had no blog when I went! The idea was to start one upon my return to share with friends and family and anything more was a bonus.

I have been accused of going for selfish reasons and I think every trip has some element of selfishness behind it. One reason I went was because North Korea had facinated me for a long time but my main reason was to try and  gain a better understanding of this secretive country and spread word to those that knew little to nothing about it.

So in 2015 I decided to go (with my boyfriend who also had an interest in North Korea) and not just go for a day tour of Pyongyang- I wanted to see as much of the country as possible (that they would allow me to see) in the time frame and budget I had.

I never treated the trip as a relaxing vacation- and when I say that I mean it wasn’t to just go to the skii resort and then come straight home and have the novelty factor of saying I went skiing in North Korea. I went to learn what I could and gain a different perspective.

I am very aware that I am highly privileged to even have the opportunity to travel in the first place let alone travel to a country like North Korea.

I think it is important not to judge the local people of North Korea and tar them with the same brush as the government. They cannot help that they were born under this regime. They are not crazy to believe that Kim Jong Un is the perfect leader- they just do not know otherwise and have been fed lies, propaganda and fear to make them think this way- or in some cases, pretend to think this way.

By the end of our trip, our guides became more than just guides- they were our friends (sounds cheesy but it’s true). During a trip to North Korea you are always with a guide except when you’re at the hotels. Due to this rule we spent a hell of a lot of time with our two guides and although we couldn’t have a deep and truly honest political conversation, we did speak about lots of other things. Despite living very different lives we realised we did have some things in common. I spoke to Mrs Ha about her daughter and some stories reminded me of my own mother and I.

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Me and Josh with our North Korean guides

”You only see what the government wants you to see!” – Of course I was aware beforehand that the itineraries are restricted and they would not take me anywhere they think would make the country look bad. It is very true that you only see what the governments wants you to but that doesn’t mean that everything you see is totally fake. The people on the metro trains are genuinely on their way to work, the people walking around the cities and towns are not actors placed there and the girls rollerskating in the square are not a Truman Show style set up. But they are still a skewed version of what North Korean life is like. These are the ‘elite’ few and there is some extreme poverty and suffering being hidden from us.

”You can’t interact with any locals!”- Not entirely true.  Contact with local people is possible and it is not illegal to approach someone in the street. What is true is that these interactions are limited- a) because of a language barrier and b) because these people will not be able to share their real struggles or fears with you in case they are punished. We interacted with a handful of locals that were not working within the tourist industry (I got the guide to translate for me a couple of times). We played catch with a bunch of youths in the square on new years eve, I asked some young girls for a photograph of them rollerskating in Pyongyang and in the supermarket we tried our best to communicate in a friendly way with a mother and her young daughter who were waving and smiling at us. Yes, in other countries you get far more interaction with the locals but at least this was something. Some of those who have not been seem to think I did not talk to a single soul apart from my guides- this was not the case. We had a lot of interaction with anyone that worked in the tourist industry (hotel staff, museum guides etc.) but all of these people are government approved and will not tell you anything they are not allowed to say. We were always aware of this and kept it in mind as we had conversations with them. I would like to think that when we were talking about subjects other than their home country, they were being open and honest, but of course I cannot say for sure.

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Locals bowing to the bronze statues of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il

Is it right to travel to North Korea?

Currently, I don’t think travel to North Korea is a good idea. In the 2 years since I went tensions between the US and North Korea seem to have gotten worse. The ‘bartering’ of Americans who have been detained (most of these are not tourists but working in the country) is a serious issue and a worrying game that is being played between the US and North Korea.

Travel to North Korea by US citizens is now banned and I think the situation with Otto Warmbier is what sparked this change. It may sound ridiculous to some, but I do think tourists are generally safe in the country if you follow the rules but for now it is best if Americans cannot go. Another case like Otto’s would be awful.

That said, I do not regret my visit 2 years ago. I know there are many who would disagree with me and I think it’s perfectly okay to not want to visit yourself. I am not trying to convince you to go.

Here are some of my reasons for visiting:

When I was researching my trip, I saw it as a step in the right direction that the country does open its doors to visitors. In many ways I do still see this as a positive. But, I don’t think it is good for the tourism industry there to grow too big at this time. (I personally think it will remain a very niche market). Opening the doors to some foreigners is the one thing that bursts the bubble on this secretive country and tourists give the local people a link to the outside world and I think it’s important to maintain that. I understand that most of the Koreans we speak to will be the elite few but surely it’s still important to form good impressions with them.

I am not denying that there are some horrendous things happening within the country and even those living in the ‘elite’ city of Pyongyang have no real freedom. I did not go because I support the regime. But by writing about my trip – people can read this and learn a bit about the country (it is incredible how many people I spoke to who couldn’t even tell you the difference between North and South Korea).

The money North Korea earns from tourism is rather small and not enough to prop up the regime. In fact, Kim Jong Un shut off all tourism for many months during the ebola outbreak. He can cut off tourism again any time he wants. In this case, the money made from tourists cannot be that significant. Sadly, North Korea is not the only country in the world to have a corrupt government and human rights violations. It is possibly the worst and therefore gets the most media attention. There are other parts of the world we may not think twice about travelling to where some amount of our visa money could be getting into the wrong hands.

This what Koryo, one of the first tour companies to take westerners to North Korea, says about whether or not tourism is supporting the government:

”We don’t believe this to be true. The amount of money the DPRK government receives through tourism is very minimal and certainly not enough to fund a nuclear programme or the like. Travel broadens the mind and nowhere is that truer than in North Korea. We believe that there is a benefit to be gained by both those who visit and those who are visited from increased human-level contact between both sides. Just as most North Koreans have hardly any experience of interacting face to face with foreigners almost nobody outside of the DPRK has ever met a North Korean. We would like to see that ratio change over time and believe that non-governmental tourism is the best way to go about this. There are very few restrictions on who can visit and the United Nations, European Union and other agencies see tourism as a positive way of engagement.”

I also think tourism helps the Korean people form a more positive outlook on other cultures. They are taught to believe that the west is the enemy- yet we come and show friendship, positivity and a willingness to learn about their culture. The North Korean people I met were incredibly friendly, polite and curious to know more about our lives outside of the DPRK. They are innocent people trapped under a harsh dictatorship.

I have also read arguments for and against travel to North Korea written by those who have defected. Here is one opinion from Sung-ha Joo, who was a reservist artillery officer in the North Korean military before he left in 2001. Now he lives in South Korea:

”North Koreans pick up a lot from tourists – their freewheeling nature, foreign fashions, and their attitude. I therefore believe tourism will help them realise how, under Kim Jong-un, they are behind the rest of the world from both political and economic perspectives. I value personal exchange. While the people that tourists often meet in North Korea are elites, don’t forget that these are the people who are leading the country. I believe you will earn more from North Korean tourism by affecting these people than the financial benefit they will earn. I believe tourism is a positive idea considering my experience in the North, imagining the outside world by observing foreign tourists.”

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New Years Eve in Kim Il Sung Square

I beleive that tourism in these low numbers (currently around 5,000 western tourists a year) is not causing any harm.  I have re-evaluated this trip to North Korea many times now and it may well be true that I made no positive impact either! I would like to think otherwise but obviously any positive impact on my part would be very small – two young British tourists cannot bring down the regime after all!

I was recently quoted in this article from Foreign Policy and I think some interesting points are made here.

I can understand the arguments against travel to North Korea too but I don’t think the answer to this issue is simply black and white. People will always be divided on this subject but I would like you to understand why I chose to go back in 2015 even if you disagree with me. I also think it is a good thing to have a conversation about this and be somewhat political in my blog.

I live in hope that in my lifetime I will see things improve in North Korea but this is not something that can happen overnight.

See my other North Korea blogs here. 

 

Why I chose to visit North Korea. My reasons for visiting this controversial country. I question whether or not it is right to visit as a tourist. Click through to read more of my blogs about North Korea tourism, Pyongyang, Wonsan, the DMZ, Mount Myohyang, Sariwon and Nampo.
Jess Harling
Jess Harling

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24 thoughts on “Why I Chose to Visit North Korea”

  1. An interesting insight but I still wouldn’t travel to North Korea and many other places in the world where the regime is so awful. Tourism makes the regime seem more acceptable and I don’t want to be a part of that. I would never have visited South Africa during apartheid and certainly wouldn’t visit North Korea now.

    1. Thanks Amanda I’m glad you found it interesting. I understand your point. I wasnt trying to make the regime seem more acceptable – I was tying to draw some people’s attention to it. But visiting NK is certainly controversial and I wouldn’t go a second time until things change. I don’t agree with promoting holidays to NK and I am rethinking whether I actually recommend any travel to the country at all now after much debate today. But I cannot deny that having some small number of visitors is helpful to some (not all) but at least some local North Koreans. So it’s a tricky one for me. Thank you so much for your comment though

  2. I loved reading this, I’d be very tempted to visit but I think ethically speaking I probably would be reluctant. However I’d never criticise anybody who did choose to and I found it really interesting to read your account 🙂 x

    Wander with Laura

  3. I admire you for writing so honestly! I totally see why you wanted to go – sometimes you have to see things for yourself! At the same time I see the other side of the argument, personally I’m not sure id want to ‘support’ such a awful regime by visiting

    1. I see both sides of the argument too. I don’t feel me going for 9 days supported the regime very much at all. I think the small interaction I had with locals did more good than harm. But it’s a tough one. Thank you so much for commenting 🙂

  4. I really appreciated reading your thoughts. I think it’s a personal decision. For me, I’d no more go to North Korea now than to Mugabe’s Zimbabwe or apartheid era South Africa but plenty of people do / did so it’s very much up to individuals.

    1. Thank you, I appreciate your comments.

      I understand your point. I don’t think me being in NK for 9 days had any hugely negative repercussions which is why I do not regret going. I feel that cutting off tourism completely would be a bad thing but I also don’t think it’s good for it to grow any bigger than it currently is. I think it will remain a niche market. It’s a very difficult subject to write about. Thanks for reading my post 🙂

  5. Such an interesting article Jess. I am honestly in two minds – I totally agree with the fact that we should not be supporting the regime in any way and a lot of people would say tourism is doing exactly that (I don’t necessarily agree with this). However, I loved the fact that you did manage to get those real every day interactions – those are so important in a country that is so oppressed. I believe that it can really help tolerance and understanding – if those people have seen that you are friendly and just like them, it will hopefully make them realise that there is more to life outside North Korea.

    I don’t think I would want to visit myself but it’s a very complex issue and there are no simple answers/right or wrong things to do. I admire your stance and the fact you have chosen to write a potentially very controversial article.

    Louise

    1. Thank you so much for your detailed comment Louise 🙂

      I agree with you, it’s really not a black and white issue, there are some grey areas.

      I am quite torn but ultimately more pro travel in North Korea than against it. Yet at the same time I don’t think it’s a good thing for the tourism industry to double in size. Because then my issue would be that the government will start making too much profit from it.

      It is sad that there cannot be more of these encounters with locals.

      Thanks again for reading

  6. Great write up! I have wanted to go to NK for a while now, mainly because It’s where my Great-Grandfather was born and raised, but escaped before the boarders closed during the Korean war. I’ve been too nervous to go also, since the arrest (and now death) of the boy from my hometown, Charlottesville, VA. I think your blog was very well written and I give you props for sharing a controversial topic! 🙂 Leah

    1. Hey Leah, I replied to your comment in the FB group too in more detail. Thanks for reading the post and sharing your family story with me. The boy, Otto, from your hometown was in the country at the same time as me but we never met. It’s incredibly sad and I see why you wouldn’t want to go now. In fact Americans are to be banned from visiting at all soon. Thanks for your comment

  7. I think it’s super interessting you went to visit North-Korea! I’m very curious aswell. Eventough I don’t support the regime and I feel very sorry for the people living in North-Korea. But can you just go there? Isn’t it super difficult to get into the country?

    1. You can go so long as you use a tour company. You can’t travel independently there. If you are American you can no longer visit however. Thanks for reading my post.

  8. “Sadly, so many countries around the globe have corrupt governments and human rights violations so if you are unwilling to travel to countries based on this, that’s fine- but there are a LOT of countries you will no longer be able to travel to.”

    This hits the nail on the head for me. You absolutely should choose not to travel to countries who will use your money to fund human rights violations. Saying it’s only a little money is like saying you don’t mind spending a few thousand dollars to fund slavery. Wtf?! By choosing to travel to these countries just to satisfy your own curiosity or because you don’t want to be limited in your travels, you’ve chosen to embrace your privalege and ride it all the way home rather than respectfully refuse to exceresize it out of a descision to not support cruel regimes. I think that’s really unethical and totally not OK. I hope you rethink that.

    1. But I did not spend a few thousand dollars to fund slavery. This is not the same as that at all. A few thousand dollars is not what I spent on this trip either if you are implying that’s how much money I have spent.

      And satisfying my own curiosity was not my only reason for going. If that was the case I wouldn’t have spent hours and hours of my personal time writing about it afterwards. I would have just gone and been done with it. I used my experience to share what I saw, inform people who knew nothing about the country and show that North Korean people are not aliens. Too many NK articles make the NK people out to be some sort of alien race who aren’t normal !

  9. This was a very insightful read. I too have always been strangely fascinated with North Korea (especially after reading The Orphan Masters Son a few years back – do you know that one?). Anyway, despite my interest in the country I have never even thought about actually visiting there. I think I am just too intimidated by what could potentially go wrong. It was very insightful to read about your experiences and reasoning to go. I’m still new to your blog and will read into some more of your NK posts now so maybe I will found out more – but i think it would be very interesting to know how exactly you managed and planned your trip. Safe travels to you!

    1. I’ve not read that one I will look into it thanks ! My other blog explains how I went but it’s straightforward once you have a tour company. I don’t recommend visiting North Korea to everyone and I think that when you go you need to have the right intentions. But if you have concerns then I just wouldn’t go at all. You will not be able to relax. And tensions have been growing a lot recently

  10. Hi Jess!

    I think you got your point across really well as to why you decided to visit. Personally I don’t think I would go, although the country does intrigue me.

    I have no idea why you seem to be getting so much hate – I understand the points against visiting NK but it’s not as if you went specifically to fund their cruel regime, right?! I hope you don’t let mean comments put you off writing – you write really well and your NK blogs are very interesting although, again, I wouldn’t choose to go personally.

    Well done for having the guts to write about your experience and put across your own views!

    Best of luck with your future endeavours! 🙂

    1. Hi Kaya, thank you so much. No, I did not- but that is the way some people see it. I almost did let it put me off writing! But thanks to some more supportive comments like your own – I am not going to give it up 🙂 Completely respect that you wouldn’t want to go yourself. In fact – since the incident with the US tourist and the heightened tensions at the moment- I’m not sure if I would make the descision to go now (had I not already been). You too and thanks again 🙂

  11. Never feel guilty about going there.
    North Korea is not the only one brainwashing people with propaganda……people like to think they know so much about DPRK but they do not. As you said, nothing is black or white. Some people really don’t even realize how huge hypocrites they are for slamming someone for visiting North Korea, while they travel to other countries that may be even worse but no one is demonizing them and screaming about them in media all the time, so they don’t even know.
    I am scholar of Korean studies and reading/hearing all the ridiculous stuff and myths about DPRK from uneducated people all the time is truly something. Therefore it’s always refreshing to hear from someone who actually spent some time inside the country, Even if short and controlled time.

    1. Thank you so much for your feedback. That’s interesting that you are a scholar of Korean studies! I agree that some myths people believe are crazy but I also don’t want to paint a perfect picture of the country either- it’s tricky. Im glad you found my insight refreshing 🙂 thank you

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